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Apr 10, 2015 4:42:13 GMT -5
Post by nightclaw on Apr 10, 2015 4:42:13 GMT -5
What if the onion were powered by tears, such that to progress, the protagonists would have to destroy parts of the onion, causing the inhabitants to cry.
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Apr 23, 2015 0:49:53 GMT -5
Post by Cyborg.Monkey.Pirate. on Apr 23, 2015 0:49:53 GMT -5
Damn you guys put at least 50x more thought and effort into this than any of us before.
Kudos to you all.
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Apr 23, 2015 8:54:28 GMT -5
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Post by Commander Tumbles on Apr 23, 2015 8:54:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm not done, I've just been really busy with school so I'll be back to this in a bit.  |
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Apr 24, 2015 1:08:40 GMT -5
Post by Cyborg.Monkey.Pirate. on Apr 24, 2015 1:08:40 GMT -5
Fffffffffffffinally finished reading all the posts I missed. You guys sure as hell know how to spin a yarn. Lots of debating going on with what the core exactly is and how it works precisely, is what I'm seeing. Adding reincarnation and otherworldly beings don't make things any simpler that's for truth. Maybe it'd be a good idea if we step back for a bit and trim some of the fat? Try and get things down to a slightly more manageable level with how many systems we got going, ya know?
Do have some ideas of my own for this, but that'll have to wait till tomorrow cause it's like 1AM here.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:29:40 GMT -5
Post by Commander Tumbles on Apr 24, 2015 12:29:40 GMT -5
Maybe! It can be really easy to overcomplicate a setting (I know I've done it enough >_>). Not that the idea of the agents of the ultimate powers forsaking an ancient struggle to become mortal isn't super neat, it just... doesn't fit into the current story, I think. If you really do want to include reincarnation, I think that making it part of the Great Seal Spell is the best bet (since it only uses pre-existing elements of the story), and it seems like you like the idea, so how about going with it? Although, I'm still not so sure about having the G2s be the G1s reincarnated (I like just like the idea of having a fresh new set of unrelated Chosen personally appealing). Personally, I think that now that we have the mechanics worked out, we should wait until somebody else chips in on whether to have reincarnation- otherwise we could be going back and forth forever! Yeah, I suppose. I dunno, I really like the idea because it feels more symbolically satisfying than simply being an all new set of people. And going back to my original idea of the G1s not remembering their true identities, I just really feel like, as a mystery that constantly develops and unfolds over time, it'll help keep readers invested for the long run (I am, of course, assuming we're taking the comic approach here. ). This is also because, well, personally I've never been all that fond of the Sword-and-Sorcery model of storytelling (Hero goes on adventure, fights big bad, big bad meets fate, hero wins). I mean, ultimately this is probably what we're still doing, but by taking mystery approach, I personally feel like it could give us more to work with. I'm totally fine with them having some degree of autonomy. I just figured that, since (at least in my mind) they were just broken off bits of each Power they wouldn't even be able to want to rebel. The Powers, in my imagination, are like pure archetypes or constants- the raw, primal forces of Light and Dark. They're ways of thought and action, and ways that reality unfolds. So any piece of Light, for instance, will only ever act in ways aligning with Light. A creature literally made of the act of creation isn't exactly going to start breaking things, after all. But that's just how I imagined it. I did still figure that Angels would each have some unique personality, just one made from traits aligned with their Power. The idea of an Angel sort of mutating away from Light or Dark is a neat idea- but of course if we included it we'd need to be careful that it fit into the story and didn't over-stuff it, just as with the Angels -> mortals idea. I was just spitballing there, but, I do think I realize the main difference between how we imagined our cosmologies. I believe that, in yours, the world is a typical planet out in space in a universe much like our own. In mine, there were no other planets. No other worlds, no other stars, it's jsut the Onion sitting at a fixed point in space, which is occupied by the two Powers and their agents. And yeah, that sounds odd, but that was also why I was trying to tie everything together in the way I was. Because it didn't really make sense otherwise. Also, Lucifer was an angel that rebelled, but yeah, I see what you mean. Ultimately, I think it should boil down to whatever the specific player's story is. If one heir chooses to make pacts with outsiders to gain more power, then they should ultimately play a bigger role in his story, and maybe we could throw stuff like that in there if we wanted to. but for other players, they should probably just play taskmasters or something of the like, with maybe some occasional stroy role (Like if a Darkness agent is terrorizing some town, a player could stop this as a sidequest). Well I didn't figure that Elizabeth's host would be punished for Elizabeth's deeds. Nor did I really think of Elizabeth being punished at all really. I just think that she makes the most sense as the Big Bad. Hence, my idea from a while ago that she could use her powers to kill the host consciousness and take over. Or maybe she somehow gets a new body, or convinces another player to help her, or something. No matter how, I really think that since Elizabeth fits so well symbolically as the ultimate force of Despair she should be the Big Bad. Especially since she was (at least part of) the whole reason that the Great Seal was cast! Imagine the heroes' despair when they realize that their plan was for nothing, and they couldn't stop Elizabeth after all :^) Those could all work, but I definitely believe that the mystery would definitely go a long way in helping. Whether Elizabeth herself remembers initially or not, I feel that the other players shouldn't, just to make it shocking when we find out that the sweet girl who just wanted some friends was keeping the greatest evil alive inside her head the whole time. I just imagine the players running into each other and interacting regularly throughout the story, and, if the moment that she mentions that her soul mate (heh) is Elizabeth the other soul mates scream for her head, then she won't have any other interaction with the players other than as a purely antagonistic one. Which could work, but I already expressed my thoughts on that above. You kind of got it backwards! The Great Seal was a seal on magic, so magic wouldn't be a thing when it was around. Only before and after. Although the 'before the Seal' part would actually be the span of the G1 war (Final Battle Round One?). I do recognize that this could conflict with the idea of magic-based characters. However, I think that adding another source of magical power to the setting would be needless over-complication. The magic-based heroes can just get more obviously magical and flashy Chosen powers. It could be virtually exactly the same except that they wouldn't start getting their powers until they were Chosen (aka the War starts). I hope I'm making sense? Well, in my cosmology, there is no 'entirety of the Onion/planet's history that culminated in the Quest'. The Worldcore only starts to form the Onion once it matures and reaches the 'critical mass' of hope that gives it its wish-granting power. And only when mature does the Worldcore start shedding power into the Planes and Shards. It has changed states. This is when the Powers start the war, because it's only when the Core fully forms that it becomes valuable to war over (before that point, it can;t grant wishes). The start of the War is the start of the Onion. So when I say before the events of G1, I mean a time before the Powers ever touched the world, before the Worldcore manifested. An utterly mundane world just like ours (well okay, not just like ours obviously it's a fictional planet, but you know what I mean). As for why all the G1 characters were so diverse? My solution was... they aren't. They're human equivalents of our avatars rather than literally them. Unless we do decide on having multiple sapient species, which I am totally down for. But even then, the tech-based characters would have to be scaled down in tech level to fit the G1 era- although once Chosen their powers could include magitech stuff that approximates the tech in their original designs. Of course that's just how I imagined it, and we can totally go with something different. We'd just need different mechanics for the Worldcore and the Planes. Maybe that could work. Although the way I imagined it the Core doesn't start shedding shards until it matures. Before then, it's still forming, condensing out of raw wishes and desire. The Worldcore reaching maturity is the state change from accumulating power to radiating it. Essentially, it is the point at which the Worldcore has grown so vast and mighty that it becomes almost like a self-sustaining star of raw power. The way I figured this gave a reason for the war to start when it does, because if the Worldcore was producing Shards the Powers would have come in to fight over who gets them. But yeah there could be a different set of mechanics for the Worldcore, and a different event marking the starting point of the War. In the interest of coming up with a different rule set, can I ask you how you imagined the Worldcore and the War to work? I feel like I spend so much time blabbing about my own cosmology, and have heard little of yours!  Maybe, I dunno. I just like the idea of having a strange and radically different society in ancient history to make it feel more fantastic. I mean, sure the core wouldn't be able to grant wishes, but it could still cast off some latent power. After all, a star doesn't have to be fully formed to start casting off light and heat. It's still forming, yes, but it isn't totally powerless while it does so either. Sure, it won't be incredibly powerful, or moderately powerful, but I don't see why it can't still be there. You know, I never considered that they were simply people. I just had another thought though. If the G1 players are mental constructs or are otherwise spirits untied to a corporeal form, what's to keep them from simply taking the form of a koala or honeypot at any given time? Maybe that could help keep their true identities secret or whatever. What do you mean, I've talked about my cosmology plenty. It doesn't really work without some of the elements that've already been vetoed. Fffffffffffffinally finished reading all the posts I missed. You guys sure as hell know how to spin a yarn. Lots of debating going on with what the core exactly is and how it works precisely, is what I'm seeing. Adding reincarnation and otherworldly beings don't make things any simpler that's for truth. Maybe it'd be a good idea if we step back for a bit and trim some of the fat? Try and get things down to a slightly more manageable level with how many systems we got going, ya know? Do have some ideas of my own for this, but that'll have to wait till tomorrow cause it's like 1AM here.  |
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Apr 24, 2015 22:24:03 GMT -5
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Post by Cyborg.Monkey.Pirate. on Apr 24, 2015 22:24:03 GMT -5
Okie doke throwing my hat into the ring. Mostly gonna be talking about the core, the Onion, and the players. My stuff is mostly in line with Viempth's and Fallout's stuff but with my own spin on it, so apologies if I end up contradicting anything!
I imagine the core as a mass of creative energy that's capable of fulfilling any desire that's within is power (which at its peak would be just about anything!), and mixed with the dreams and wishes of those living on the Onion that have died. Souls being reborn could simply be a result of the core granting the wish to continue living, which lets reincarnation fit in nicely with everything else. The souls themselves could be something like miniature cores; masses of creation energy mixed with the dreams of the individual lives lived.
Instead of being a type of magic used by the G1 players the Great Seal would be another wish granted by the core. Although it wouldn't have been the G1 players intended effect! During their final confrontation with Elizabeth the G1 players pool their wishes together to match the strength of Elizabeth's wish, since, in the case of conflicting desires, the core grants the stronger one. So in an attempt to grant both it mixes them into a single wish the Great Seal. The existence of the G1 players as they are ends, their bodies destroyed and their souls crafted into a powerful seal on Elizabeth and the core itself. Obviously the simplest thing for the core to do would have been to just erase all of the G1 chosen and have everyone be happy with mutual destruction, but unfortunately one of the players was too nice for everyone's good.
Call them Alex, good gender neutral name. Very nice person always wanting to believe the best in everyone. Admittedly I'm not sure what the other G1's feelings towards Elizabeth are, but I can't imagine they're very good! Alex would probably be one of the few people not to think she was totally nuts for wanting to end existence. They'd at least understand that Elizabeth was coming from a good place. Being unable to bring Elizabeth over to their way of thinking would definitely be Alex's biggest regret right up to the Great Seal. Which messes everything up in the end.
Alex's wish along with stopping her would be to give Elizabeth a second chance to change. The poor core had quite a bit to deal with! So we end up with a temperary solution for both sides. The seal prevents Elizabeth from using the core, while the G1 players no longer exist as conscious beings, and a hope for redemption allows them to stay in that state while slowly degrading over time. The core didn't get away unharmed either. It spends a significant amount of energy and is forced to spend the next undetermined amount of time recovering. To make sure no one attempts to use it again during that time it shuts itself away from the Onion allowing only souls to come and go for the sake of reincarnation. Flashforward some time later and the core reopens its doors to any who's desires could push them to face it.
Of course this is when the G2 group come into play! The core breaks the Great Seal and returns the G1 souls to their proper form. Unfortunately the time spent sealing away someone as powerful as Elizabeth took it's toll on them all. Elizabeth herself has suffered damage as a result of their force on her as well. Their memories broken and faded, they're left with only a vague sense of who they are. In this state the G1 souls could not possibly sustain a physical form, instead the core places them in the bodies of the G2 players.
AND THUS THEIR ADVENTURE BEGINS COMPLETELY UNAWARE THAT THEIR GREATEST THREAT SITS BESIDE THEM
So another war and what have you starts up again and the G2 players go to do their thing (I always imagined them traveling together btw for some reason my mind just goes to rpg party as default). They end up becoming tight companions along the way, even Elizabeth and her heirress mainly due to her not remembering her original worldview. As they go on their quest the G1 souls begin regaining their memories more and more until it finally clicks for them who in the hell Elizabeth actually is and are immediately jumping on their heirs to end her. Of course most are hesitant (some less than others) to kill the G2 Null player, with one or two even preparing to fight off the others in order to protect her if need be. Depending on when in the story this happens. Mid-story I figure the Null player runs away and the other G2 players spend the rest of the story chasing her up until their confrontation with her at the core. Personally I'm a sucker for happy endings and like to think the time spent with the others helped to turn Elizabeth away from her desire to end existence, but whatever works best for the story.
The Onion could also still be a very fantastical setting, with varying degrees of fantasticalness depending on the layer, with Elizy's heiress' layer being very mundane to another random layer being fantastical as hell. Even if no magic we could still have all sorts of tech and creatures with crazy physics for each layer!
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Anyways that's my 2 cents for the story. Again apologies if I contradicted anything you guys had decided on already. Lets make this story raaad.
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May 16, 2015 21:38:46 GMT -5
Post by Viempth on May 16, 2015 21:38:46 GMT -5
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH im so sorry this took me so long Yeah, I suppose. I dunno, I really like the idea because it feels more symbolically satisfying than simply being an all new set of people. And going back to my original idea of the G1s not remembering their true identities, I just really feel like, as a mystery that constantly develops and unfolds over time, it'll help keep readers invested for the long run (I am, of course, assuming we're taking the comic approach here. :P). This is also because, well, personally I've never been all that fond of the Sword-and-Sorcery model of storytelling (Hero goes on adventure, fights big bad, big bad meets fate, hero wins). I mean, ultimately this is probably what we're still doing, but by taking mystery approach, I personally feel like it could give us more to work with. I can definitely see the benefits of the G2s being reincarnated B1s. Of course, I personally find the idea of all new Chosen for G2 more satisfying. Sort of like, a new generation being able to escape their predecessors mistakes kind of thing. Especially given the ending I imagined, where they collectively spread the power of the Worldcore rather than giving it to Light or Darkness, thus defying an ancient universal cycle of warfare. Having new Chosen would also allow for freely creating new characters without making them be like us. Additionally I worry that if the G2s are still representations of us in some form, we might end up favoring our own Chosen. Of course, we still might if we're only brainghosts, but I think there is a lower chance. And the G1s could still loose their memories with new people for G2s. Although, I'm still not exactly sure how them loosing their memories would really work plot-wise? If they can't work as guides what would they be.... doing? Wouldn't they be just sort of along for the ride, having all the ignorance of the G2s without the power to directly drive the plot? These are legit questions btw I'm interested in hearing how you envisioned their role in the story. I was just spitballing there, but, I do think I realize the main difference between how we imagined our cosmologies. I believe that, in yours, the world is a typical planet out in space in a universe much like our own. In mine, there were no other planets. No other worlds, no other stars, it's jsut the Onion sitting at a fixed point in space, which is occupied by the two Powers and their agents. And yeah, that sounds odd, but that was also why I was trying to tie everything together in the way I was. Because it didn't really make sense otherwise. :P Woah okay! I somehow never knew that that was the basis of your setting?? And also somehow I never made it clear what the basis of mine was?? Yes, In my cosmology it all takes place on a normal planet. Basically, my idea was that this battle of Powers took place on every planet with intelligent life. Any sapient species would eventually manifest a Worldcore, thus calling the Powers to fight for command of it in an endless war. The story of COWDYD, then, is only one battle in the universe-wide struggle of Light and Dark (although a very unusual battle). I guess now we have another major thing to figure out- is the story a one-time thing, with just the one Onion being the only thing in existence? Or is the battle of Light/Dark taking place on planet after planet in a universe more like ours? Also, Lucifer was an angel that rebelled, but yeah, I see what you mean. Ultimately, I think it should boil down to whatever the specific player's story is. If one heir chooses to make pacts with outsiders to gain more power, then they should ultimately play a bigger role in his story, and maybe we could throw stuff like that in there if we wanted to. but for other players, they should probably just play taskmasters or something of the like, with maybe some occasional story role (Like if a Darkness agent is terrorizing some town, a player could stop this as a sidequest). I imagined it the Agents' role in the story as... Kyuubey from PMMM? Luna from Sailor Moon? Why are the only things I can think of off the top of my head Magical Girl anime?? What I mean is, they show up to start the war by Choosing the Chosen and granting them their magics, and basically just say what the Worldcore is and some stuff about the Onion and whatnot. But they mainly play a background role, and don't really do much for the main part of the story except for giving a bit of exposition and trying to manipulate/convince the different Chosen into fighting for their side. Those could all work, but I definitely believe that the mystery would definitely go a long way in helping. Whether Elizabeth herself remembers initially or not, I feel that the other players shouldn't, just to make it shocking when we find out that the sweet girl who just wanted some friends was keeping the greatest evil alive inside her head the whole time. I just imagine the players running into each other and interacting regularly throughout the story, and, if the moment that she mentions that her soul mate (heh) is Elizabeth the other soul mates scream for her head, then she won't have any other interaction with the players other than as a purely antagonistic one. Which could work, but I already expressed my thoughts on that above. Yeah I mean if we spin it right the mystery could totally add to the story! I'm cool with it if we can figure out the logistics of it (I just can't think how it would work plot-wise myself but presumably you have ideas? please share?). And I totally see where you're coming from with how it could interfere with character interactions if everybody found out immediately where Elizabeth was. I do think that there are other solutions though, and maybe even that the poor G2 who gets landed with Elizabeth having to deal with that could be cool if we can figure out how to pull it off. I mean everything is so completely undecided at this point, you know? I do still strongly stand by the idea that Elizabeth should somehow be the main antagonist, though. I really feel like she and her ideology work really well in that position, especially given that I imagined the story's main focus being on hope/despair dichotomy. Of course, I don't know exactly how that would work yet. I just feel like it makes sense. Also, if the big bad scary Chosen that forced the G1s to pause the war in the first place spent the entire story cooped up in somebody's brain it would feel... sort of a waste, you know? Very anticlimactic. Maybe, I dunno. I just like the idea of having a strange and radically different society in ancient history to make it feel more fantastic. I mean, sure the core wouldn't be able to grant wishes, but it could still cast off some latent power. After all, a star doesn't have to be fully formed to start casting off light and heat. It's still forming, yes, but it isn't totally powerless while it does so either. Sure, it won't be incredibly powerful, or moderately powerful, but I don't see why it can't still be there. You know, I never considered that they were simply people. I just had another thought though. If the G1 players are mental constructs or are otherwise spirits untied to a corporeal form, what's to keep them from simply taking the form of a koala or honeypot at any given time? Maybe that could help keep their true identities secret or whatever. :P What do you mean, I've talked about my cosmology plenty. It doesn't really work without some of the elements that've already been vetoed. :P I always figured that the Worldcore couldn't start doing stuff until it reached a sort of 'critical mass'. Because otherwise, the Powers would have swooped in to claim it already, you know? And there can still be a radically different society in ancient history without throwing magic in on top of everything else. Although I'm not really sure why we would have one, magic or no, because no time will be spent in that ancient society except mayyyyyybe in a couple flashbacks. At least, I always figured that the story would be the story of G2 with G1 as just the history/backstory/whatever. Actually, for that matter, if we did make a radically different society for G1, we would need to really fill the readers in on it so that they could understand the G1s and any flashbacks occurring in that era; making an all-new planetary history would give us even more work to do exposition-wise. This is also a large part of why I want to start G2 in a world like ours. We're already going to be throwing all of this magical war shit and all the magical other worlds of the planes, so why spend time and pages also setting up an entirely different mundane world? It would just be even more info for the reader to digest and keep track off. It would also make the transition from 'ordinary world' to 'suddenly magical planetary battle for supreme power across multiple dimensions' less pronounced. Instead of going from mundane to fantastic for both the reader and characters, the readers would be going from one fantastical setting to adding yet more made up stuff. Thus, the reader doesn't really feel the experience of the character as much. At least that's how I feel. But also let it be said that I am totally cool with adding all sorts of other races on top of humans. It would be a really minor thing to do and I don't see why we shouldn't. Also, I never even thought of the Gh1sts (G1 ghosts) being able to shapeshift in their spirit forms. I always imagined them as being accurate to how they were when alive, but that could totally work too, it might be cool. And it's not like I have the power to 'veto' something, I just say how I feel. I guess maybe I've come across as super pushy? Please tell me if that's so?? Because I don't want to come across like I'm trying to take this whole thing over or something. Okie doke throwing my hat into the ring. Mostly gonna be talking about the core, the Onion, and the players. My stuff is mostly in line with Viempth's and Fallout's stuff but with my own spin on it, so apologies if I end up contradicting anything! Join us! Join us in the daaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrk.......... okay no really though its super cool to have someone else doing this too I imagine the core as a mass of creative energy that's capable of fulfilling any desire that's within is power (which at its peak would be just about anything!), and mixed with the dreams and wishes of those living on the Onion that have died. Souls being reborn could simply be a result of the core granting the wish to continue living, which lets reincarnation fit in nicely with everything else. The souls themselves could be something like miniature cores; masses of creation energy mixed with the dreams of the individual lives lived. That would be a really nice elegant way to have reincarnation! Although it would mean that the Worldcore has had power for a long time throughout history, which I've already pointed out the problem with. Also, it would require some way for dead souls to access the Worldcore. I'm not sure exactly how that would work? Instead of being a type of magic used by the G1 players the Great Seal would be another wish granted by the core. Although it wouldn't have been the G1 players intended effect! During their final confrontation with Elizabeth the G1 players pool their wishes together to match the strength of Elizabeth's wish, since, in the case of conflicting desires, the core grants the stronger one. So in an attempt to grant both it mixes them into a single wish the Great Seal. The existence of the G1 players as they are ends, their bodies destroyed and their souls crafted into a powerful seal on Elizabeth and the core itself. Obviously the simplest thing for the core to do would have been to just erase all of the G1 chosen and have everyone be happy with mutual destruction, but unfortunately one of the players was too nice for everyone's good. Call them Alex, good gender neutral name. Very nice person always wanting to believe the best in everyone. Admittedly I'm not sure what the other G1's feelings towards Elizabeth are, but I can't imagine they're very good! Alex would probably be one of the few people not to think she was totally nuts for wanting to end existence. They'd at least understand that Elizabeth was coming from a good place. Being unable to bring Elizabeth over to their way of thinking would definitely be Alex's biggest regret right up to the Great Seal. Which messes everything up in the end. Alex's wish along with stopping her would be to give Elizabeth a second chance to change. The poor core had quite a bit to deal with! So we end up with a temperary solution for both sides. The seal prevents Elizabeth from using the core, while the G1 players no longer exist as conscious beings, and a hope for redemption allows them to stay in that state while slowly degrading over time. The core didn't get away unharmed either. It spends a significant amount of energy and is forced to spend the next undetermined amount of time recovering. To make sure no one attempts to use it again during that time it shuts itself away from the Onion allowing only souls to come and go for the sake of reincarnation. Flashforward some time later and the core reopens its doors to any who's desires could push them to face it. Of course this is when the G2 group come into play! The core breaks the Great Seal and returns the G1 souls to their proper form. Unfortunately the time spent sealing away someone as powerful as Elizabeth took it's toll on them all. Elizabeth herself has suffered damage as a result of their force on her as well. Their memories broken and faded, they're left with only a vague sense of who they are. In this state the G1 souls could not possibly sustain a physical form, instead the core places them in the bodies of the G2 players. Wow, this is all super great! Having the Seal be a Worldcore-granted wish makes all sorts of sense! And I also really love the idea of Alex. Especially since ironically that would mean it was Alex's hope in Elizabeth's salvation that let the ultimate force of despair continue to exist. I REALLY like that. AND THUS THEIR ADVENTURE BEGINS COMPLETELY UNAWARE THAT THEIR GREATEST THREAT SITS BESIDE THEM yessssssssssssss! a plurality of yesses! So another war and what have you starts up again and the G2 players go to do their thing (I always imagined them traveling together btw for some reason my mind just goes to rpg party as default). They end up becoming tight companions along the way, even Elizabeth and her heirress mainly due to her not remembering her original worldview. As they go on their quest the G1 souls begin regaining their memories more and more until it finally clicks for them who in the hell Elizabeth actually is and are immediately jumping on their heirs to end her. Of course most are hesitant (some less than others) to kill the G2 Null player, with one or two even preparing to fight off the others in order to protect her if need be. Depending on when in the story this happens. Mid-story I figure the Null player runs away and the other G2 players spend the rest of the story chasing her up until their confrontation with her at the core. Personally I'm a sucker for happy endings and like to think the time spent with the others helped to turn Elizabeth away from her desire to end existence, but whatever works best for the story. A sort of RPG party would be cool but... I don't think it's all that likely. I'd imagine that a bunch of Light aligned Chosen would band together but other than that... I mean, the Worldcore can grant any wish to the one who reaches it first. Resurrection of loved ones... world domination... immortality... There's going to be a LOT of PVP, is what I'm saying. Who wouldn't want that wish for themself? And for such enormous power, what wouldn't they be willing to do? (This is the point of my imagined ending kind of btw. Rather than one person claiming the Worldcore they come together to spread its power throughout the world, making it available to help humanity as a whole. This would never have happened ever before, and would defy both Light and Dark, so it would be like a big deal) Although I personally don't think Elizabeth can be convinced to change her worldview, at least not how I imagine her character. But that's just me. It sounds like you and Fallout both prefer a redemption arc, so I am totally fine with working towards that. The Onion could also still be a very fantastical setting, with varying degrees of fantasticalness depending on the layer, with Elizy's heiress' layer being very mundane to another random layer being fantastical as hell. Even if no magic we could still have all sorts of tech and creatures with crazy physics for each layer! Oh yes! The planes are made up of dimensions twisted by leaked power, so they can be full of all sorts of stuff! Actually designing the planes and the adventures everybody has in them is one of the things I'm most exited about tbh. Anyways that's my 2 cents for the story. Again apologies if I contradicted anything you guys had decided on already. Lets make this story raaad./quote] Don't even worry, it's not like there's a set canon to even contradict! We're still in like, the preplanning/brainstorm stage or something. 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May 17, 2015 19:46:26 GMT -5
Post by Commander Tumbles on May 17, 2015 19:46:26 GMT -5
Well, the main reason why I had a fantastical magitek setting for the G1 era in the first place was to explain why our characters were so varied. I mean, we could just have a basic medieval fantasy setting for that, but then what about the characters that are more scientifically-based, or, y'know, use guns or modern militaristic trappings? CMP is a cyborg monkey after all, and Wolfe is implied to be a soldier. But I don't think we can have a purely sci-fi setting either, partially because more wizard and warrior types would be out-of-place, but mainly because if it already didn't use magic, either from the Core or from outsiders, then there'd be no reason for that society to collapse, either because the magic caused by the Core was sealed away or magic provided by the outsiders vanished when they were banished, and be replaced with our more modern-Earthlike one. Also, we really wouldn't even need to establish most of it. If we jsut had a few key bits that pertained to the story at hand, we could just leave the rest blank to 1. Save us the trouble of having to worry about it 2. Captivate the imaginations of readers. Hell, if this got popular enough the fans could write it all for us.  Also I am in favor of everyone just being human because having a bunch of races without specific purposes is honestly one of my biggest fantasy pet peeves. Woah okay! I somehow never knew that that was the basis of your setting?? And also somehow I never made it clear what the basis of mine was?? Yes, In my cosmology it all takes place on a normal planet. Basically, my idea was that this battle of Powers took place on every planet with intelligent life. Any sapient species would eventually manifest a Worldcore, thus calling the Powers to fight for command of it in an endless war. The story of COWDYD, then, is only one battle in the universe-wide struggle of Light and Dark (although a very unusual battle). I guess now we have another major thing to figure out- is the story a one-time thing, with just the one Onion being the only thing in existence? Or is the battle of Light/Dark taking place on planet after planet in a universe more like ours? Either one works for me. Of course, if it were the only World/Core out there, I really feel as though we would have to make strides to make sure that everything existed for a reason, which is what I was doing in my original write-up, ie., the original players were Outsiders who built the World to protect the Core from abuse by the other Outsiders. It was also the main reason I was disagreeing with you earlier, as I don't believe that anything in the world could be so mundane, since it's basically the sole reason for mortal existence. However, if it is the latter, with the Light/Dark war in a universe closer to our own, then we could easily get away with making it much more mundane than that, however, I am curious as to how, if there are more Cores capable of granting more wishes, one side hasn't already uncovered one and used it to wish away the other side. However, perhaps the reason why the Sides struggle with the Worldcore is because you have to be a Denizen of the World in order to utilize the power of the Core. The sides take advantage of this by requesting specific mortals go and make a wish for them, in exchange bribing them with fabulous power. Of course, whether the mortals actually do is up to them, but hey, you make do with whatcha got. Although, I'm still not exactly sure how them loosing their memories would really work plot-wise? If they can't work as guides what would they be.... doing? Wouldn't they be just sort of along for the ride, having all the ignorance of the G2s without the power to directly drive the plot? These are legit questions btw I'm interested in hearing how you envisioned their role in the story. Well, they wouldn't have permanently lost their memories. I think like CMP said, they're minds are frayed and shattered and need to be rewoven and pieced back together. They're essentially jsut shadows of their former selves. In the beginning they'd mainly just start off telling their Heirs that they'd need to travel into the lower planes and find the Worldcore, before gaining them back bit by bit as the Heirs unlock their powers and they see their legacies and whatnot. It probably wouldn't be towards the end, or at least until the second or third act, that most of them become whole enough to remember, "Oh right, this Elizabeth chick is one bad banana," and the quest turns from them getting what they want, to them keeping Elizabeth from getting what she wants and ending the universe, or at least the world, and all that jazz. I also really like CMP's idea, Alex feels like a symbolic opposite of Elizabeth, which I enjoy, and can easily be one of the major players in the story. However, I also agree with Viempth in that I always imagined them flying solo and only grouping up occasionally, as it would essentially be a race to the finish. Anyway, sorry if I was a little short in some places, I think I meant to say more but time got away from me and I gotta go, so I'll probably come back and say more later. feel free to go ahead and respond though. I admit, I was a little worried when you left for so long. Also also, just curious, how many players does everyone think there should be? My mind keeps coming back to 16, which is a round number that I like but it could be a bit excessive. However, we could just narrow it down to a few 4-8 main characters and have everyone else be closer to side or minor pro/antagonists |
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May 23, 2015 16:40:11 GMT -5
Post by Viempth on May 23, 2015 16:40:11 GMT -5
Well, the main reason why I had a fantastical magitek setting for the G1 era in the first place was to explain why our characters were so varied. I mean, we could just have a basic medieval fantasy setting for that, but then what about the characters that are more scientifically-based, or, y'know, use guns or modern militaristic trappings? CMP is a cyborg monkey after all, and Wolfe is implied to be a soldier. But I don't think we can have a purely sci-fi setting either, partially because more wizard and warrior types would be out-of-place, but mainly because if it already didn't use magic, either from the Core or from outsiders, then there'd be no reason for that society to collapse, either because the magic caused by the Core was sealed away or magic provided by the outsiders vanished when they were banished, and be replaced with our more modern-Earthlike one. Also, we really wouldn't even need to establish most of it. If we jsut had a few key bits that pertained to the story at hand, we could just leave the rest blank to 1. Save us the trouble of having to worry about it 2. Captivate the imaginations of readers. Hell, if this got popular enough the fans could write it all for us. ;) Also I am in favor of everyone just being human because having a bunch of races without specific purposes is honestly one of my biggest fantasy pet peeves. :P While having an originally magitek filled setting would allow for the varied characters, I feel like it actually raises lots of questions. When did that society discover magic and start using it? Is magic just an inherent part of the universe? Where did the magic come from? We would need to invent an entire secondary magical system along with the hope/wishes based stuff that the Worldcore and Powers have going on. And why would the Great Seal also effect that magic? It's entire purpose was just to seal away the War, magic being sealed was a side-effect because magic came from the war. Also I think it really makes the collapse of society much more unrealistic. IMO it seems much more reasonable for a great War fought by magical entities across dimensions to destroy an early, low-tech civilization than for it to ruin a hyper-advanced one that is already familiar with and versed in the use of the magic that the war would bring. Either the magitek world used the same magic that the Powers/Worldcore do, which obviously raises tons more questions about how they got it and the nature of the War that would be absolutely vital to know, OR the magitek society used an entirely different magic and now we have to figure out how that works and communicate it to the audience at the same time as we are also informing them of a totally separate power system (that of the War). So IMO it would be much easier just to have the only magic come from War related phenomena. Also, if having different races 'w/out specific purposes' bothers you... what were you planning to do for the characters with different species in your plan? You want a magitek filled history just to justify their abilities/natures, but were just going to make them all human in that world? Why go to the lengths of creating a whole new setting to justify the characters if you aren't going to go all-out? Unless you were going to have them all be different species, in which case why are you only okay with that if the setting contains an ancient history where they used to have advanced magitek? Either one works for me. Of course, if it were the only World/Core out there, I really feel as though we would have to make strides to make sure that everything existed for a reason, which is what I was doing in my original write-up, ie., the original players were Outsiders who built the World to protect the Core from abuse by the other Outsiders. It was also the main reason I was disagreeing with you earlier, as I don't believe that anything in the world could be so mundane, since it's basically the sole reason for mortal existence. However, if it is the latter, with the Light/Dark war in a universe closer to our own, then we could easily get away with making it much more mundane than that, however, I am curious as to how, if there are more Cores capable of granting more wishes, one side hasn't already uncovered one and used it to wish away the other side. However, perhaps the reason why the Sides struggle with the Worldcore is because you have to be a Denizen of the World in order to utilize the power of the Core. The sides take advantage of this by requesting specific mortals go and make a wish for them, in exchange bribing them with fabulous power. Of course, whether the mortals actually do is up to them, but hey, you make do with whatcha got. The idea that only a mortal from the species (plural or singular) responsible for the Worldcore could claim it makes a lot of sense. I say we go with it. As for why one Power hasn't wished away the other, it comes down to a matter of power (...wait). A Worldcore is just that- the core of one singular world, from one population. They don't have the raw wish energy or w/e to actually erase one of the two fundamental forces of reality forever. At most you could eliminate the influence of one power over the population/world that spawned that specific Worldcore. The Powers are a lot greater in magnitude, and a lot more integral to the very nature of existence, than any one Worldcore. Thats why the two sides are stuck in an endless, equally balanced war of attrition. It's like two human countries equally matched in power fighting for years, each one equally gaining and conceding ground in equal measure; huge battles being fought over single, tiny, strategically worthless pieces of land. At least, that's how I imagined it. And of course, in many instances the Battle on one planet won't even go to either side, but to some random Chosen who wishes for World Domination or the resurrection of a loved one or some shit. Well, they wouldn't have permanently lost their memories. I think like CMP said, they're minds are frayed and shattered and need to be rewoven and pieced back together. They're essentially jsut shadows of their former selves. In the beginning they'd mainly just start off telling their Heirs that they'd need to travel into the lower planes and find the Worldcore, before gaining them back bit by bit as the Heirs unlock their powers and they see their legacies and whatnot. It probably wouldn't be towards the end, or at least until the second or third act, that most of them become whole enough to remember, "Oh right, this Elizabeth chick is one bad banana," and the quest turns from them getting what they want, to them keeping Elizabeth from getting what she wants and ending the universe, or at least the world, and all that jazz. I guess that sounds acceptable. We can work out the exact details later. But it sounds like both you and CMP want memory loss, so memory loss it is! Amnesia for everybody!! *children cheer* Also, what CMP said about the Worldcore having to try and compromise on everybody's conflicting wishes? I think that maybe the erasure of the G1 Chosen's memories (and maybe even the collapse of the old civilization from the G1 era!!) could have resulted from a watered-down version of Elizabeth's desire for all to be erased mixed in with everything else. What do you think? I also really like CMP's idea, Alex feels like a symbolic opposite of Elizabeth, which I enjoy, and can easily be one of the major players in the story. However, I also agree with Viempth in that I always imagined them flying solo and only grouping up occasionally, as it would essentially be a race to the finish. Anyway, sorry if I was a little short in some places, I think I meant to say more but time got away from me and I gotta go, so I'll probably come back and say more later. feel free to go ahead and respond though. I admit, I was a little worried when you left for so long. :P Then we are all in agreement! Alex=canon is confirmed. Also, I did wait a while in case you wanted to add something, but you didn't, so I responded anyway now. Hope that's okay with you. Also also, just curious, how many players does everyone think there should be? My mind keeps coming back to 16, which is a round number that I like but it could be a bit excessive. However, we could just narrow it down to a few 4-8 main characters and have everyone else be closer to side or minor pro/antagonists Well, to start with we should figure out how many of us desire/deserve to be G1 players. The final result of course must be an even number (because Light/Dark pick an equal # Chosen) but if we have an odd number of ourselves we can make up more original G1s like Elizabeth and Alex are. The list so far: 1. Commander Fallout 2. Viempth 3. CMP 4. Pemi 5. Wolfe 6. Honeyman 7. ? Who else do you think should be included? (of course, I haven't actually asked any of these people lol) |
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May 23, 2015 17:39:53 GMT -5
Post by nightclaw on May 23, 2015 17:39:53 GMT -5
I'm interested in this, but I feel unusefull when it comes to the huge overarching picture. I'm not someone who really writes out all the minutiae beforehand, instead i sorta come up with an idea, and then work out down to earth personal character details and universal bilaws and suchnot by ear. It works for me writing short stories, of course but I don't know if it could translate well into a frankly gigantic group project like this.
But i mean of course if that's okay, then I would totally love to be on the list of players
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May 23, 2015 21:43:07 GMT -5
Post by Viempth on May 23, 2015 21:43:07 GMT -5
I'm interested in this, but I feel unusefull when it comes to the huge overarching picture. I'm not someone who really writes out all the minutiae beforehand, instead i sorta come up with an idea, and then work out down to earth personal character details and universal bilaws and suchnot by ear. It works for me writing short stories, of course but I don't know if it could translate well into a frankly gigantic group project like this. But i mean of course if that's okay, then I would totally love to be on the list of players AAAAAAAA omfg i somehow totally forgot to put you on the list holy shit im seriously so sorry wow. But yeas of course you get to be on the list if you want to! And if you don't feel like you can really add to the current conversation, that's totally okay. Of course, if you would like to do stuff for this but just have a problem with the specific current topics or whatever, you can always start a new topic of discussion or bring up whatever stuff you feel most comfortable with. Any contribution or idea of any kind is totally welcome! And at least IMO what you've already contributed has been really useful :) |
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May 24, 2015 13:56:44 GMT -5
Post by Commander Tumbles on May 24, 2015 13:56:44 GMT -5
While having an originally magitek filled setting would allow for the varied characters, I feel like it actually raises lots of questions. When did that society discover magic and start using it? Is magic just an inherent part of the universe? Where did the magic come from? We would need to invent an entire secondary magical system along with the hope/wishes based stuff that the Worldcore and Powers have going on. And why would the Great Seal also effect that magic? It's entire purpose was just to seal away the War, magic being sealed was a side-effect because magic came from the war. Also I think it really makes the collapse of society much more unrealistic. IMO it seems much more reasonable for a great War fought by magical entities across dimensions to destroy an early, low-tech civilization than for it to ruin a hyper-advanced one that is already familiar with and versed in the use of the magic that the war would bring. Either the magitek world used the same magic that the Powers/Worldcore do, which obviously raises tons more questions about how they got it and the nature of the War that would be absolutely vital to know, OR the magitek society used an entirely different magic and now we have to figure out how that works and communicate it to the audience at the same time as we are also informing them of a totally separate power system (that of the War). So IMO it would be much easier just to have the only magic come from War related phenomena. Also, if having different races 'w/out specific purposes' bothers you... what were you planning to do for the characters with different species in your plan? You want a magitek filled history just to justify their abilities/natures, but were just going to make them all human in that world? Why go to the lengths of creating a whole new setting to justify the characters if you aren't going to go all-out? Unless you were going to have them all be different species, in which case why are you only okay with that if the setting contains an ancient history where they used to have advanced magitek? Well, my idea was mainly that the powers recognized the potential of the race to develop a Core early on or sometime in the development of their history, possibly middle ages or so why not, and, ignoring any prime directive, very much meddled in that development. The War had always been a part of the development of society. Perhaps it started when some Darksider found a growing tribe, and gave them power for their loyalty, and then maybe some Lightsider came in and made a similar bargain with another tribe to keep the growth and influence of the other in check. As society grew, so did the Core, and its power began to leak out allowing the Denizens to supplant or possibly augment the Outsiders' gifts with their own inborn power (I mean, not that everyone became super wizard badasses. I imagine it a lot like any skill, in that anyone could have to potential to learn it, and anyone could have the potential to become great at it, only in this case you could make it more so by making outsider pacts). War was rampant, violence seeped into every facet of existence. Though they were capable of great works, they too were capable of terrible deeds. And as the Core grew, so did the power of their magics, constantly increasing the scale of destruction and suffering, until, finally, it was ready. Each side tasked a number of individuals they believed they could trust, whom they believed to be among the most skilled or dangerous or reliable, bribed them with even more power, and sent them to fulfill their destinies hundreds or thousands or whatever years in the making. However, over the course of their journey, these few grew very disillusioned (or already were so) with the Powers and the horrible lives they had created on this world, leading them each to their personal revelations of needing make things better for their fellow Denizens (some more extreme than others *cough*), and leading to the collective wish that hedged out all magic and banished all Outsiders, creating a virtual reboot in which humanity had to start anew as a society that wasn't governed by the War of two powers greater than them but by their own wants and needs, leading to a modern civilization much like our own, with much of the old ways and transgressions long forgotten. That is, until the seal broke and the door barring Outsiders was no longer locked. Having spent a long time realizing their mistakes, they are much more cautious now, attempting not to turn societies general opinion against them by keeping themselves hidden, waiting and watching for the most part, waiting for the chance to make a move. Of course, while this is happening, fragments are drifting up from below, granting whomsoever claims them wondrous power... Hmm, maybe the next generation could be totally unrelated to them, and the consciousnesses of the original group came in the form of those fragments, which were discovered by the different newbies. I dunno, just another basic idea that popped into my head, what do you think about it? As for different races, perhaps we could have them, maybe they divulged from humanity due to magic or were created by them through it, but eventually, I imagine, they would all merge back into humanity. But, I haven't really put a lot of thought into it, as it doesn't really affect me either way. Yo CMP, you're a cyborg monkey, what do you think? The idea that only a mortal from the species (plural or singular) responsible for the Worldcore could claim it makes a lot of sense. I say we go with it. As for why one Power hasn't wished away the other, it comes down to a matter of power (...wait). A Worldcore is just that- the core of one singular world, from one population. They don't have the raw wish energy or w/e to actually erase one of the two fundamental forces of reality forever. At most you could eliminate the influence of one power over the population/world that spawned that specific Worldcore. The Powers are a lot greater in magnitude, and a lot more integral to the very nature of existence, than any one Worldcore. Thats why the two sides are stuck in an endless, equally balanced war of attrition. It's like two human countries equally matched in power fighting for years, each one equally gaining and conceding ground in equal measure; huge battles being fought over single, tiny, strategically worthless pieces of land. At least, that's how I imagined it. And of course, in many instances the Battle on one planet won't even go to either side, but to some random Chosen who wishes for World Domination or the resurrection of a loved one or some shit. Cool, makes sense to me. I guess that sounds acceptable. We can work out the exact details later. But it sounds like both you and CMP want memory loss, so memory loss it is! Amnesia for everybody!! *children cheer* Also, what CMP said about the Worldcore having to try and compromise on everybody's conflicting wishes? I think that maybe the erasure of the G1 Chosen's memories (and maybe even the collapse of the old civilization from the G1 era!!) could have resulted from a watered-down version of Elizabeth's desire for all to be erased mixed in with everything else. What do you think? Hmm, I hadn't really considered that angle, but it could easily work as well. It's also probably a lot simpler than my idea. Then we are all in agreement! Alex=canon is confirmed. Also, I did wait a while in case you wanted to add something, but you didn't, so I responded anyway now. Hope that's okay with you. Cool, glad we've finally managed to settle on some things. And yeah, I'd basically forgotten what I was going to add (if anything) anyway, so, whatevs. Well, to start with we should figure out how many of us desire/deserve to be G1 players. The final result of course must be an even number (because Light/Dark pick an equal # Chosen) but if we have an odd number of ourselves we can make up more original G1s like Elizabeth and Alex are. The list so far: 1. Commander Fallout 2. Viempth 3. CMP 4. Pemi 5. Wolfe 6. Honeyman 7. ? Who else do you think should be included? (of course, I haven't actually asked any of these people lol) Well, I don't know who specifically should be added, because, well, we've had a ton of people (easily 30+) who've added good things to this community, even if they aren't here now. So we should probably get into contact with as many as we can to ensure that A) We include people that would like to be in it though never voiced an opinion because they didn't know about it and B) Not waste precious spots on people who don't want to be included or really don't care. Also, one side of the outsiders should all look like variations of Chris and the other side should all look like variations of Reilly. |
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May 29, 2015 21:13:52 GMT -5
Post by Viempth on May 29, 2015 21:13:52 GMT -5
Well, my idea was mainly that the powers recognized the potential of the race to develop a Core early on or sometime in the development of their history, possibly middle ages or so why not, and, ignoring any prime directive, very much meddled in that development. The War had always been a part of the development of society. Perhaps it started when some Darksider found a growing tribe, and gave them power for their loyalty, and then maybe some Lightsider came in and made a similar bargain with another tribe to keep the growth and influence of the other in check. As society grew, so did the Core, and its power began to leak out allowing the Denizens to supplant or possibly augment the Outsiders' gifts with their own inborn power (I mean, not that everyone became super wizard badasses. I imagine it a lot like any skill, in that anyone could have to potential to learn it, and anyone could have the potential to become great at it, only in this case you could make it more so by making outsider pacts). War was rampant, violence seeped into every facet of existence. Though they were capable of great works, they too were capable of terrible deeds. And as the Core grew, so did the power of their magics, constantly increasing the scale of destruction and suffering, until, finally, it was ready. Each side tasked a number of individuals they believed they could trust, whom they believed to be among the most skilled or dangerous or reliable, bribed them with even more power, and sent them to fulfill their destinies hundreds or thousands or whatever years in the making. However, over the course of their journey, these few grew very disillusioned (or already were so) with the Powers and the horrible lives they had created on this world, leading them each to their personal revelations of needing make things better for their fellow Denizens (some more extreme than others *cough*), and leading to the collective wish that hedged out all magic and banished all Outsiders, creating a virtual reboot in which humanity had to start anew as a society that wasn't governed by the War of two powers greater than them but by their own wants and needs, leading to a modern civilization much like our own, with much of the old ways and transgressions long forgotten. That is, until the seal broke and the door barring Outsiders was no longer locked. Having spent a long time realizing their mistakes, they are much more cautious now, attempting not to turn societies general opinion against them by keeping themselves hidden, waiting and watching for the most part, waiting for the chance to make a move. Of course, while this is happening, fragments are drifting up from below, granting whomsoever claims them wondrous power... Hmm, maybe the next generation could be totally unrelated to them, and the consciousnesses of the original group came in the form of those fragments, which were discovered by the different newbies. I dunno, just another basic idea that popped into my head, what do you think about it? That's a good origin for magic in the world. However, I think that introducing themselves and their powers pre-war wouldn't necessarily be something the Powers would do, for precisely the reasons you've outlined here. I guess creating a situation of escalating violence and warfare and thus risking either wiping out the population before they make a functional Worldcore or turning that population against them seems like... kind of a rookie mistake? The Powers have been warring in situations like this one for just about eternity, so it seems like they would have a better handle on things by this point. I could even imagine that sort of being a thing between the powers- neither will mess with a planet's pre-Worldcore development, under threat of mutual annihilation of that planet. But that's just an idea. Also, in this version of the cosmology, what determines who gets Chosen is skill or power level or whatever. How I imagined it, the main determining factor is conviction or willpower- the stronger and deeper the desire and the belief that the desire can and should be reality, the greater the magic they gain, and the more the Worldcore reacts. So a Chosen might be someone totally unskilled and inexperienced, with only a strong heart or a great capacity for hope. On the other hand, if someone with no strong convictions got the Worldcore, it might barely do anything because there's no deep, pure wish to latch on to. I personally think that besing who the Chosen are on essentially willpower or 'heart' would be really symbolically satisfying and fun. Which is actually most of the reasoning behind virtually all of my ideas- I'm sort of going for a certain feel and certain archetypes over pretty much anything else. Also, I did imagine that G2 of the war starts very much immediately after the Great Seal breaks, rather than there being a long 'waiting period'. But again, that's just me. As for the consciousness of the G1s being bound to Worldcore Shards? I guess that could work, but personally I don't feel that it's very necessary. Why go out of our way to come up with a reason that the G1s get bound to fragments that get claimed by the G2 chosen, when we could just say something like 'as part of the Great Seal Spell, the G1s survived by becoming guides for the G2s'. idk As for different races, perhaps we could have them, maybe they divulged from humanity due to magic or were created by them through it, but eventually, I imagine, they would all merge back into humanity. But, I haven't really put a lot of thought into it, as it doesn't really affect me either way. Yo CMP, you're a cyborg monkey, what do you think? I personally don't see why they would merge back in with humanity? Given that part of the definition of a species is (for the most part) not being able to produce viable offspring with other species I don't see how a bunch of seal people or whatever could over thousands of years merge with human people. idk, I don't really care whether we have them myself. in fact, I originally figured that we'd just make everyone human. I'm gonna defer judgement to CMP as well tbh. Cool, makes sense to me. :D Cool! *thumbs up* Cool, glad we've finally managed to settle on some things. :P And yeah, I'd basically forgotten what I was going to add (if anything) anyway, so, whatevs. Haha, I'm really glad too. And I'm glad I didn't cut you off from adding stuff you wanted to say. Well, I don't know who specifically should be added, because, well, we've had a ton of people (easily 30+) who've added good things to this community, even if they aren't here now. So we should probably get into contact with as many as we can to ensure that A) We include people that would like to be in it though never voiced an opinion because they didn't know about it and B) Not waste precious spots on people who don't want to be included or really don't care. Sounds like a plan. Although, I can't really go about contacting anyone, so it'll be up to other people to do so :/ Also, one side of the outsiders should all look like variations of Chris and the other side should all look like variations of Reilly. :p Hehe, it could be a nice homage to have the main Agents of Light/Dark appear as such in at least one of their forms. But then, I personally would feel really weird doing it? Using their likenesses like that even if we did have permission (which we do not). |
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Jun 11, 2015 2:02:58 GMT -5
Post by Cyborg.Monkey.Pirate. on Jun 11, 2015 2:02:58 GMT -5
Oh damn do I have a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for the absence, but as far keeping keeping everyone their original species I don't mind changing cmp to a human.
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Jun 14, 2015 19:48:48 GMT -5
Post by Viempth on Jun 14, 2015 19:48:48 GMT -5
Oh damn do I have a lot of catching up to do. Sorry for the absence, but as far keeping keeping everyone their original species I don't mind changing cmp to a human. haha, it isn't like the rest of us don't take long absences :P Anyway, it sounds like the general consensus is having only humans rather than a bunch of species? So... I guess that is what we'll go with if nobody else objects. |
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